Curse

Hengis · Sep 08, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

A couple of guild mates and myself were trying an experimental three man UW team last night. One of the skills I had on my ranger was Apply Poison.

During the run Apply Poison was behaving in a very strange way against the Terror Webs and Aatxas. The first arrow was poisoning the monsters, but tabbing to the next monster and the arrows were not doing any poisoning. The arrow arc was still green and smoking, but the arrow was only doing its normal damage. It was almost as if I had used Poison Arrow instead of Apply Poison (but I know this could not be the case as I also had Famine on my skill bar)

Before I report this to Anet, has anyone else seen this happen, or can anyone think of a legitimate reason why it should happen?

Eviance · Sep 08, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

nope but I thought I noticed this the other night when playing cripshot myself - it wasn't till I used the cripshot with it that it continued to spread... It seemed a little wierd to me so I wondered if I was missing (I wasn't)..... I would wait to see if anyone else noticed it myself. I figure if its really bugged or we are just imagnining things we will know soon enough.

JR · Sep 08, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Sounds to me like they were using evasive stances, at least in Eviances case. Using standard attacks or attack skills, you obviously wont poison an opponent through evasive stances, as the arrow wont hit. Crippling Shot CAN'T be blocked or evaded, as such will poison through any stances.

torquemada · Sep 08, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Hmm but there is a curious "evade" text floating around usually in that case.

Anryla · Sep 08, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hengis Stone

A couple of guild mates and myself were trying an experimental three man UW team last night. One of the skills I had on my ranger was Apply Poison.

During the run Apply Poison was behaving in a very strange way against the Terror Webs and Aatxas. The first arrow was poisoning the monsters, but tabbing to the next monster and the arrows were not doing any poisoning. The arrow arc was still green and smoking, but the arrow was only doing its normal damage. It was almost as if I had used Poison Arrow instead of Apply Poison (but I know this could not be the case as I also had Famine on my skill bar)

Before I report this to Anet, has anyone else seen this happen, or can anyone think of a legitimate reason why it should happen?

Seems like the arrow wasnt "evaded" as it did some damage, seems strange thought

torquemada · Sep 08, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Needs more testing, I suppose, coz I was playing around with my low-lvl ranger yesterday and was spreading poison around with apply just tabbing for fun and I observed some wierd non-poisoned behaviour of mobs. Could have been my carelessness though (tabbing before actually firing for example).

Addone_Abaddon · Sep 08, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I don't think the arrow will always poison.

Anryla · Sep 08, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

just tabbing doesnt make the character aim I think, you actually have to press "space"/do it command to shoot at the targeted enemy, don't know what you mean by "tabbing befora actually firing" thought.
I doubt this is the problem thou

Yanman.be · Sep 08, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Addone, it will always poison, it must be a bug of somesort.

JR · Sep 08, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anryla

just tabbing doesnt make the character aim I think, you actually have to press "space"/do it command to shoot at the targeted enemy, don't know what you mean by "tabbing befora actually firing" thought.
I doubt this is the problem thou

That sounds like the most likely cause of the problem, as obviously clicking a skill (as in Eviances case) will cause you to switch to the creature you currently have selected, whilst just auto-attacking will stay on the original target untill you hit space again.

And yes, the arrows should ALWAYS poison if they hit.

Hengis · Sep 08, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

Sounds to me like they were using evasive stances, at least in Eviances case. Using standard attacks or attack skills, you obviously wont poison an opponent through evasive stances, as the arrow wont hit. Crippling Shot CAN'T be blocked or evaded, as such will poison through any stances.

I am 99.9% sure that the arrows did not miss or get blocked or evaded, but I will of course check this again tonight to make sure I am not going mad LOL.

I also checked the skills of both the Aatxe and Terrorwebs on Guildwiki. Aatxa only have melee blocking ability (Riposte and Deadly Riposte) and Terrorwebs have no block or evade skills at all, so it would seem impossible that this is the answer.

It really was very strange.

Oh, and by tabbing, I did mean "Tab then spacebar" That is a sort of automatic thing after 14 months of play.. hit tab with little finger/hit space bar with thumb. Again though I will check that out tonight, just in case I had some kind of brainstorm, but I am sure the non-poisoning happened even when targeting and clicking with the mouse.

Thanks for the ideas though! :-)

torquemada · Sep 08, 2006, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anryla

just tabbing doesnt make the character aim I think, you actually have to press "space"/do it command to shoot at the targeted enemy, don't know what you mean by "tabbing befora actually firing" thought.
I doubt this is the problem thou

It means I might have tab-switched before space firing. You know 100+mobs on screen and you oh-so-careless...

Ehrenia · Sep 08, 2006, 01:58 PM // 13:58

you had a new target selected but your character was still attacking the previous target, u saw dmg come up and it repoisoned the one you didnt have selected.

elLOCOmutha · Sep 08, 2006, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I use it everyday and have not seen this so called bug...

Apply poisen has worked perfectly on my weapons.

Pinkchiky · Sep 08, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

I noticed it... with poison. But that was in an alliance battle. The damage came up, but no poison, I had to hit the person 4-5 times before he was actually poisoned

tomcruisejr · Sep 08, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

maybe you forgot to press space after tabbing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ehrenia

you had a new target selected but your character was still attacking the previous target, u saw dmg come up and it repoisoned the one you didnt have selected.

ditto

moriz · Sep 08, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

mine is not completely related to this, but sometimes, my crippling shot and other arrow skills refuse to fire. i had enough energy, and line of sight, but the skill just keeps blinking and not fire. i did not get the "you don't have enough energy" or the "target was blocked" messages, the skill icons just blinks without anything happening.

also, line of sight is a little messed up as well. i can be shooting at someone at point black range and the arrow will still get obstructed.

Eviance · Sep 08, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Nah Jr I thought about this but there were times they actually landed and did nothing - it was the combined effort tho of apply and crip that got it to actually penetrate... I thought maybe I was just running out and not paying attention (it was late lol). But again like someone else mentioned - test it a bit further and see if I was just being nuts like the OP. No use clogging the Anet system with problems we aren't sure actually exsist.

It was when I would change from one target to the next and yes with space bar while waiting for cripshots recharge I would fire and hit and nothing, but then I hit cripshot with it and suddenly its there... I know when my arrows are being evaded hun =P (most of the time anyways >_>)

P!zz@ · Sep 08, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Maybe the target was immune to poison? But then you usually get a message saying so...

MelechRic · Sep 08, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

mine is not completely related to this, but sometimes, my crippling shot and other arrow skills refuse to fire. i had enough energy, and line of sight, but the skill just keeps blinking and not fire. i did not get the "you don't have enough energy" or the "target was blocked" messages, the skill icons just blinks without anything happening.

also, line of sight is a little messed up as well. i can be shooting at someone at point black range and the arrow will still get obstructed.

This bug has been around forever. I used to get it on the old Crags map in RA and now I get it on the AB maps. It's certainly annoying but easy to remedy: just move to the left or right and the bug will resolve.

I believe it's an overlap of two checks that are not matched in the code. There is some code that checks to see if you can hit with an arrow. That code succeeds and you fire. However, there must be some other code performing a similar (but not identical) check to see if an attack skill will hit. This one fails and prevents the attack skill from activating similar to how a spell won't work unless you're in range of a target.